How did you discover your interest in kinbaku? Is it something you have always felt?
Around 2010 I got a role in a Kinbaku AV production, and I learned about the existence of Kinbaku. Before that, I never even had heard the word Kinbaku.
How did you start modeling professionally?
I joined an AV modelling production agency in 2008 and started my career as an AV actress. In 2010 I was introduced to the Kinbaku world and I became interested in it. From than on I felt a strong desire to focus my work mainly on Kinbaku related productions.
In October 2011 I quit my production company (as the Kinbaku work they brought to me was not the Kinbaku I wanted to do) and in December I decided to contact Naka-san directly: “I’m interested in the world of Kinbaku. Please tie me.” The following February I got tied for the first time by Naka-san at his Nawa-Naka-Kai and that was the start of my Kinbaku model career.
At that first Nawa-Naka-Kai, I felt that “perhaps this is the world I wish to be part of”. And then right after that, I got to work for a photo shoot with Norio Sugiura San and while working with Sugiura Sensei, my feelings changed into a certainty that “this is the world I want to be part of!” and I decided that I wanted to make a living by working in the Kinbaku world.
What is your favorite part of being tied? Is there anything you do not like?
What do I like, is difficult to say as I like almost everything … I like my hands tied in a GOTE and my legs tied closed together. And I really like to have my hair tied.
A place I don’t like [to be tied] is the face. I like to have rope tied as a gag, but I don’t like to have rope tied all around my head. Also, I don’t like much to have my hands tied in front of me.
You have been able to visit many countries, what is the difference between kinbaku in Japan and in other places?
I personally don’t know much about the history of Kinbaku nor do I have much knowledge of Kinbaku itself, so I’m often surprised [by their deep knowledge] and learn a lot from people I meet abroad. In Japan as well there are people that know a lot, and people that do not know much.
So more than a “this country is this and that country is that” kind of difference, I think it all boils down to the individual persons’ character. For instance, even in Japan we have people that will say “Kinbaku is art” and than other that will say “Kinbaku is eros”. And the same happens among non-Japanese. Therefore more than a difference depending on the country, I think it is a difference depending on “different people have different views” .
What is the difference between being tied in private and as a professional model? Are the feelings different?
I’m rarely tied in private so it is a difficult question. But even when I’m tied professionally, I let my expressions and reaction be natural and do not create a specific face or over-reaction, so I would imagine there is no much difference for me.
When I’m tied professionally, I get paid and there is fixed time frame, while I’m tied privately, of course I do not get paid and there is no time limit. So I would say that there is a slightly difference in how I feel ( I’m more relaxed when it is private rope than work, so I can enjoy myself more).
Do you ever tie yourself? What are the feelings like for that?
Yes, I do self ties and self suspensions. But I’ve not been taught by anybody, so even though I can tie myself, I cannot tie other people.
When I tie and suspend myself in my own style, I tie myself pretty tight, so at the same time I feel two different things: on one hand as if “I’m tormenting myself”, and on the other as if “I’m embracing myself”.
I’m actually interested in tying someone else. So perhaps in the future, I might try that as well.
For someone being tied for the first time, what would you tell them?
As I don’t even know myself what Kinbaku is, I really do not know what to say … (I don’t think there is anything I can say)
You have been tied by many famous bakushi. Are there big differences among them?
With Naka-san, I’ve been tied as a lesson model and for live shows. While with Yukimura-san and Steve-san, I’ve been tied as a lesson model and for photo-shoots but I’ve not done any live show with them.
Keeping that in mind, personally I would roughly categorize Naka-san’s rope as “seme nawa” [Tormenting Rope], Yukimura-san’s rope as “aibu nawa (Comunication Nawa)”, and Steve-san as “With safety in mind, how to make the model look beautiful – nawa and Highly spectacular – nawa)”.
The three of them have different lives, different characters, different ways of thinking, and that expresses itself in their different views of kinbaku [Kinbaku’s Weltanshauung].
With different feelings toward Kinbaku, their way of teaching at lessons (way of explaining), their way of tying are all different, and that is very interesting to me. They all have different qualities, and I like them all.
What is your hope for the future of kinbaku?
It has been only few years since I’ve discovered Kinbaku and I became a professional Kinbaku model, so I do not even have a clear answer to what is Kinbaku at present.
I don’t know what the right answer is nor if there is a right answer, so it is hard for me to have an idea of what I hope for the future of Kinbaku.
I know it will not answer your question, but I’m looking forward to how I will feel and what I will think about Kinbaku in 5 years or 10 years.
I think I will probably never find an answer. And probably that is why I find the world of Kinbaku so interesting and captivating.
A very special thank you to Rida for the translation.
